Friday, July 31, 2009

Why is it Jesus is human and not human at the same time? Did he feel pain?

Okay, people say Jesus died for their sins. Is that all he did? Did he feel any pain while dying? Why is it he was able to perform miracles yet was supposed to be human? I don't get the whole thing. He truly died but is there any evidence he felt pain while dying? Is it written in the bible? If he lived a normal life wouldn't he have to deal with the things regular people did? He must have had a beard unless he shaved. If he shaved he would have had to have cut himself sometimes. He would have had to cut his hair. His breath would have reeked if he didn't rinse and brush his teeth. He'd probably have some painful cavities too. He must have banged himself up as a kid too. All kids get bruises etc. If he never got bruised etc then why would he feel pain? Anyone with bible references to Jesus showing that he felt pain?

Why is it Jesus is human and not human at the same time? Did he feel pain?
Yes, he felt pain while dying. That was the whole point. He took the punishment for us. There aren't any biblical references because who would Jesus would have told that to? The disciples had all run away but John. Only he could have written about it. Jesus had other things to do like see that his mother was taken care of rather than state the obivous....being crucified hurts.





If you are interested in His account of the crucifizion it was personally revealed to St.Bridget and has become a novena
Reply:yes he felt pain


yes he was human
Reply:Maybe he was like a human that lived on purely spiritual terms, like he had God thoughts all the time
Reply:He did. However I do not have a ref.
Reply:In the bible it says that Jesus had the power to heal others, but he couldn't make people believe in himself, right? So he had a lot of powers but not the ones he could've used. Yes, he did feel pain. He could've asked God to make them stop anytime but he didn't. I hope I answered your question.
Reply:Jesus was a spiritual being who decided to come down to earth as a human. He felt pain at the time of his crucifixion, I'm sure of that. I don't know of ay references, but I know that He wanted to save us, so He came down as a human so we can follow him if we want, not forcing us as if he was a supernatural person or anything
Reply:WHEN HE WAS ON EARTH HE WAS A MAN, HUMAN, HE FELT PAIN ...HE COULD DO MIRACLES FOR OTHRS BUT HE DIED ON THE CROSS AND SUFFERED FOR OUR SINS SO THAT WE ALL COULD SOMEDAY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE WITH HIM.....BUT YES HE SUFFERED AND DIED A REAL DEATH
Reply:he took on all the sins of the earth while he was on the cross .including future sins of course he felt pain the most unbearable kind of pain, be in separated from god
Reply:No reference to Jesus feeling pain. Thousands of references to Jesus feeling compassion.
Reply:incarnation-god is man. god made himself human. god is human yet divine.


he felt pain--suffering


Jesus "suffered" for us.


john 1: 1-4- In the beggining was the word and the word was god. And in him the word became flesh...
Reply:Probably somewhere when it talks about the atonement...


probably doesn't say pain, but much more poetic words like agony and suffering.


oh oh I have one


On the cross


He said "I thirst"


which doesn't sound like much, but have you ever been really really thirsty?


it's painful.


If he didn't feel pain


then he wouldn't complain about being thirsty


And they wouldn't have felt the need to write it down.


And he's human and not human because he's the son of God and Mary (who was obviously not a God). So he would be a demi-god, to go with a more classical term for it.
Reply:Jesus was 100% human and 100% God. Yes He felt pain, He cried, he ate, and drank.
Reply:Yes, he did feel pain





His hands and feet nailed to a cross and his head and side bleeding, he died





Isaiah 53





1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?





2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.





3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.





4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.





5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.





6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.





7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.





8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.





9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.





10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.





11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.





12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Reply:Jesus was like us in all things but sin. He did indeed feel pain. Consider the implications of that. The eternal Creator of the Universe suffered, and felt the pain of death, so that you could live. How can you not feel gratitude over that?
Reply:he was thirsty while being crucified.
Reply:That's one of the many paradoxes regarding ascended masters. Yes they can 'experience' all we do and more, because they can experience things on a higher level than us. This means he would not have so much 'felt' pain as, well, quite simply, experienced it. If you read the passages regarding Jesus last week you'll notice a number of references to him experiencing pain, or the like.
Reply:Jesus was human when he came to earth. But in heaven he is God. He came to earth because we were in need for a savior, he was human. He felt pain, emotion, anything that we humans feel. When he died on the cross he felt so much pain, I couldn't even imagine. Yet he did it because he loves, he is the only man ever to walk on the face of the earth who never sinned in they're life time. Jesus is the only way.
Reply:You have WAY too much time on your hands. He had pain, but that was the true sacrifice he was willing to make to cleanse us of our sins. Now he has eternal peace beside God, I would say that in itself is a miracle. You need to get a hobby if this is what you sit and think about
Reply:that's the whole mystery of christianity. understanding that jesus was both god and human. without a doubt jesus felt pain. our god came to earth and resurrected. jesus felt pain and experienced everything humans do. walked our walk, felt our pain and everything else. god knows how our life is because he lived it. i cant remember specific verses but in school we just finished learning about the death and resurrection of jesus and watched the passion of the christ. the movie is vividly accurate about how jesus felt pain. he was whipped and beaten and felt every single sting until his death. i hope this helps you understand it a little better.
Reply:"And He was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, saying, 'Father, if Thou be willing, remove this cup from Me; nevertheless, not my will, but Thine, be done.' And there appeared an angel unto Him from heaven, strengthening Him. And being in an agony, He prayed more earnestly; and His sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground." Luke 22:41-44, KJV


Jesus came in flesh. He got hurt. He felt grief. He wept. He felt abandonment. He cried out to God the Father.





He had a beard- Jewish men all did at the time.





Are you asking because you want to know whether God incarnate can relate to you as a mortal human? "We do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weakness, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need." Hebrews 4:15-16, NKJV
Reply:he was human, and part god at the same time. People were amazed at his teachings. He felt pain, of course. he was part human. When he was nailed on the cross, the bible explained that he felt pain.
Reply:Jesus was not God and human at the same time. The Bible states that He emptied himself of all His divinity and became man. When called a good man, He said why do you call me good. There is none good except God who is in heaven. He knew that He was total man when on the earth. Satan knew this also that is why he tempted Jesus to get him to sin, but though tempted He would not (not could not) sin because he fought against sin with all that was in Him. He was taught as He was growing up just like any other child. He pottied in his diapers and did all that any child will do, but He did not sin. He constantly fought against sinning and He was in great pain when he was crucified. He cried out "Father why have You forsaken me". Before he was taken from the garden he prayed that if God could find another way let Him be released from what He was about to go through. God did not release Him and he suffered bitterly..He died and covered the sins of the world because never did sin though He could have if he had not been strong enough not to. That is why and how He is our savior and as no man is sinless, He is able to pay the price for all (forgiven) sins of mankind.
Reply:well in the garden before his Crucifixion it says in the bible he was bleeding from the stress of knowing what was coming , and he even said if there was any other way let this pass , but it was his fathers will so he accepted it , the answer is yes he felt pain , every pain he endured for you and me , he was human , and he is god too .
Reply:Refer to the Garden of Gethsemane when he sweet blood. Jesus was human but when he was baptized, the Spirit of God came into his body and taught and healed for three years. When he was crucified, it says he gave up the ghost / Spirit. His body died on the cross. That is human to die.


When Lazarus was in the tomb and he arrived, it says he wept. Does that not tell you he was a man with feelings but God was incarnate in him, being able to raise the dead.


Can a Man do this. Yes, Possible, but Christians believe he is the son of God and was the son of a man. God is spirit. The same spirit that is in you if you can except it. Read , Masters Of the Far East, By Bird T. Spalding.


Rev. TomCat
Reply:Certainly He was able to perceive pain. He was fully human, AND fully divine.





Why would you imagine that He didn't? He certainly suffered from being beaten, scourged, crucified. He was also referred to as having been at various times, tired, hungry, and so on. He collapsed and fell flat on his face while carrying the cross. He did indeed have a human body, and was able to suffer pain. That is why He can comfort us in our sufferings as human beings -- there is no feeling that we have, that He did not also share. And this is why He did it -- so that we can never say, "God doesn't understand us! He doesn't know what it's like to be human." Oh, yes, he knows. He shared in our life so that in the world to come, we can share in His life. "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin." Hebrews 4:15, ESV





However, the physical pain of the crucifixion and torture is not the main thing here -- the most important thing is that "He who knew no sin, was made sin for us." In other words, He is the only person ever alive who was completely free from sin... therefore, his sacrifice to pay for the sins committed by all people in all the history of the world, is the ultimate sacrifice, once for all. NO more sacrifices need ever to be made to receive forgiveness of sins.





What this means for Jesus, is that *While* he was on the cross, he was rejected by God for a time, because he was bearing the sins for all of humanity. He was literally a scapegoat. For this reason, he cried out, "My GOd, my God, why have You forsaken me?" -- a quotation from Psalms.





He was able to perform miracles because while he was human, he was also God. (NO, this does NOT mean we believe in two separate gods...He is one Being existing in three personas.) A miracle, by definition, is something that does not occur as a result of natural processes. Over time, the water with which we water a vineyard, eventually becomes wine -- but Jesus transformed water into wine in a moment, not by the water being taken up by the vine and later forming grapes, which are crushed to be wine.





He healed people, not by the usual slow process of normal healing, but all at once.





Does that help? I hope so... if not, say so, and I'll add more...
Reply:Luke 22:44





And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.





Mosiah 3:7





And lo, he shall suffer temptations, and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue even more than man can suffer, except it be unto death; for behold, blood cometh from every pore, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his people.





D%26amp;C 19:18





Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit--and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink--
Reply:YES JESUS FELT PAIN E HE WAS GOD WHO TOOK ON A BODY SO THAT HE COULD KNOW WHAT WE FELL AS HUMANS SO THAT HE COULD TAKE THEM TO THE CROSS THAT WE WOULD BE REDEEMED. HE IS GOD.
Reply:Here is a few verses for you:





Hebrews 2:18, Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted. And also Hebrews 4:15, For we do have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are - yet was without sin. .....





At our church we just had a Bible study and this question was talked about how it is impossible to understand fully how Jesus could be God and man at the same time.
Reply:How is it possible for someone to know all that stuff about someone who lived so long ago? IT ISN'T. Religion isnt logical.
Reply:Jesus is a Prophet of Allah
Reply:It's amazing what 2000 years will make people think of someone they never knew. Personal opinion He was a man like all other men. Probably even had Kids.



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